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dolcevita wrote:

sad story is that even some people which are highly respected in the scene are forcing now the death of vinyl - maybe just to push their own mp3 or whatever business i dont know...
i mean what an asshole is Richie Hawtin: he is now telling everywhere how "unmodern" vinyl is and what kind of bad "oil products" this records are ...
what the fuck?
Mr Hawtin is pretending now to be interested in pollution control?
Of all things Richie Hawtin who is well known of taking fucking designer drugs and using airplanes the whole time just to get from berlin to munich and stuff?
fuck off...

he is indeed a sucker. still pressing records, and telling shit about vinyl. this is not loyal to the buyers of his work, his label. anyways

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@dolcevita:

Just to play devil's advocate: vinyl isn't exactly modern, is it?

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"When young adult music beginners are forced to resort to acts such as Bruce Springsteen, Bryan Adams or the Rolling Stones, in other words the music that their fathers or grandfathers were listening to in their youth, this says a lot about the absence of innovation. As a result, interest in music as a whole is continuing to decline," says Kai Fraeger, adding that this is being exacerbated by some companies' insufficient capital resources, amateurish management qualities and dubious business models.

What nonsense. The most sold records are still new records, also by new bands.

Here's the top 10 sales list of our local record store for November:

1.(-) Guns n'Roses - Chinese Democracy
2.(-) The Killers - Day & Age
3.(5) Kings of Leon - Only by the Night
4.(-) Kings of Leon - Because of the Times
5.(-) San Andreas - Man or Monster
6.(1) Novastar - Almost Bangor
7.(3) Snow Patrol - A Hundred Million Suns
8.(-) Bloc Party - Intimacy
9.(-) Metallica - Death Magnetic
10.(2) AC/DC - Black Ice

Except for three "old" hardrock names with new albums, most of these acts are "new". Young people listening to the Rolling Stones are probably doing that because they are interested in the roots of rock music, more than anything else. There is still plenty of innovation going on, also in pop music. R 'n B, hiphop, house, they are constantly shifting in style and in 'progress'.

The distribution of records is labour intensive work with little possibilities of technical innovation, margin's aren't growing and salaries are increasing. That is probably one of the reasons why the distributors that sell small quantities of a lot of different records have trouble surviving.

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C. wrote:

@dolcevita:

Just to play devil's advocate: vinyl isn't exactly modern, is it?

No, u're right !
We're just vinyl lovers/fetishists smile
Fortunately we don't care/need/want the "modern" tag big_smile
Let RH be at the the top of modernism !

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C. wrote:

@dolcevita:

Just to play devil's advocate: vinyl isn't exactly modern, is it?

well, as modern as gas-driven cars and gl

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Decoder wrote:
C. wrote:

@dolcevita:

Just to play devil's advocate: vinyl isn't exactly modern, is it?

well, as modern as gas-driven cars and gl

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Starborough wrote:

1.(-) Guns n'Roses - Chinese Democracy
9.(-) Metallica - Death Magnetic
10.(2) AC/DC - Black Ice

jesus christ will somebody please retire these guys? plz?


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well, as modern as gas-driven cars and gl

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it isn't all doom and gloom with vinyl. ive said it many times before: what the dance music vinyl business is now going through, is like what the rest of the industry went through in the 80's with the coming of the cd. all of a sudden vinyl was crap, old fashioned, bla bla. everyone dumped their old collections and switched to the new medium, only to have a revival start a few years later. i'm sure here it'll go the same way, including the obligatory examples of the old generation desperately showing theyre keeping up with the times like mr. hawtin.

if you looked around on the record fair in utrecht, you could find not only old vinyl, but tons of represses of classic records and even new vinyl from udo lindenberg to britney spears and amy winehouse. that stuff would not be pressed unless there is a market for it.

as for the distributors (not only neuton, but also pinnacle in the UK is about to file for bankrupcy) there's often more to it than the obligatory ''illegal downloads'' or ''the financial crisis''. thats an easy way to blame something for problems that were often around for much longer. it also means that other distributors will get new clients and get stronger. in the end, as long as there's a market, there will be distributors.

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amen, rude wink

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some people are saying that also the collectors market for vinyl is slowing down ...
i can definitely not seeing this when looking for example to the current sales from 000toro: he made - i would say - about 10000 USD in one month with just a few records big_smile

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Starborough wrote:
black shape wrote:

"When young adult music beginners are forced to resort to acts such as Bruce Springsteen, Bryan Adams or the Rolling Stones, in other words the music that their fathers or grandfathers were listening to in their youth, this says a lot about the absence of innovation. As a result, interest in music as a whole is continuing to decline," says Kai Fraeger, adding that this is being exacerbated by some companies' insufficient capital resources, amateurish management qualities and dubious business models.

What nonsense. The most sold records are still new records, also by new bands.

Here's the top 10 sales list of our local record store for November:

1.(-) Guns n'Roses - Chinese Democracy
2.(-) The Killers - Day & Age
3.(5) Kings of Leon - Only by the Night
4.(-) Kings of Leon - Because of the Times
5.(-) San Andreas - Man or Monster
6.(1) Novastar - Almost Bangor
7.(3) Snow Patrol - A Hundred Million Suns
8.(-) Bloc Party - Intimacy
9.(-) Metallica - Death Magnetic
10.(2) AC/DC - Black Ice

Except for three "old" hardrock names with new albums, most of these acts are "new". Young people listening to the Rolling Stones are probably doing that because they are interested in the roots of rock music, more than anything else. There is still plenty of innovation going on, also in pop music. R 'n B, hiphop, house, they are constantly shifting in style and in 'progress'.

The distribution of records is labour intensive work with little possibilities of technical innovation, margin's aren't growing and salaries are increasing. That is probably one of the reasons why the distributors that sell small quantities of a lot of different records have trouble surviving.

old bands with new albums still count as old bands, and those others on the list are no surprise as it is what the radio spoon feeds everyone. The job I just got laid off from, i would hear killers, snow patrol, kings of leon 2 or 3 times a day most days. I know there is plenty of innovation going on, and i know that naturally those that innovate are more unlikely to be in these sorts of charts.
the bit about interest in music declining... i doubt that to be honest. slaes dont necessarily reflect the public interest these days (i think he is exaggerating his point, no one listens to Bryan Adams do they?) maybe it sounds like he wants to blame everyone but himself

anyway my point was that if what he said was not the case, and kids were really into brand new stuff and always wanted the freshest sounds around, would things for neuton and pinnacle and the like be any different?

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that question of inovation is a non-sense IMO. I know, it's with this idea that the so-called Art is made since the Renaissance. Personaly, i don't think that "inovative" could be a quality, if this inovation is without a vision behind.

Also: Old bands with new albums should be realy considered as "old bands": ?? so the only point is to be a teenage band? i don't get it.

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yes, that's a good point. for instance, how do you count madonna? is she an ''old band'' or someone who still has the latest sound, and still caters to a young audience and so is a ''fresh'' band?
plus a lot of these ''new'' bands play really old style rock crap.. bands from 20 years ago were more innovative than the shit i hear these days.

@the captain: this may be a far fetched idea, but why not set up a small distribution yourself? you probably have the contacts, start with a few obvious shops in europe, and build from there.. it;s how clone started too, and there are probably plenty of small labels from ''our scene'' that would be interested..

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We will survive!

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"To dissimulate is to feign not to have what one has. To simulate is to feign to have what one hasn't. One implies a presence, the other an absence."

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the current innovation in pop, rock, r'n'b or house.. explain this with real substance please.

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yes and the"old bands" especially madonna, any dipshit would bank on them shifting records!!

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although they are not liked by many, kompakt-distribution must be doing something right for a long time. they are selling like crazy compared to other distributors.

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another one bites the dust it seems.. but as others have mentioned here, we're in transition and we will survive!

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We will survive!

YES!

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Replicant wrote:

although they are not liked by many, kompakt-distribution must be doing something right for a long time. they are selling like crazy compared to other distributors.

...they sell records with nothing on it ? just a guess...;)

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although they are not liked by many, kompakt-distribution must be doing something right for a long time. they are selling like crazy compared to other distributors.

`Word and Sound`  are also successful I think. Now they catch the labels from Neuton. wink the story continous. like Rude said...

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although they are not liked by many, kompakt-distribution must be doing something right for a long time. they are selling like crazy compared to other distributors.

i think you are joking, right?

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elec pt.1 wrote:
Replicant wrote:

although they are not liked by many, kompakt-distribution must be doing something right for a long time. they are selling like crazy compared to other distributors.

i think you are joking, right?

"fresst schei

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