R.i.p. (Page 3 of 39)

perfect, almost poetic way for mr. haider to die.

well, then i'll try to explain...

first thing: for each topic there is a certain level of detail below which there is no point in discussing it.

second: as you can probably tell i'm austrian - and i can assure you that i never voted for any right-wing party, i would never even have thought of doing so. over the past few years i've been frequently working abroad, so i have quite some experience on how the phenomenon haider was covered and perceived abroad. and it was mostly covered in the most simplistic superficial way possible that would tell you nothing about the reality. so what i'm convinced of is that you either have personal experiences with austria, or you were lucky enough to get your information from those 2% of media that covered the topic in sufficient detail, or otherwise you know simply nothing about the whole topic. and reading what i can read here implies the latter.

and as a third thing: it's a very good thing to have high standards in morale and ethics. but only if you do not exclude anyone, especially yourself. unfortunately what i experience is lots of people with double moral standards. anything you are doing (such as rejoicing over someone's death) is justified, cause you are on the "right side". however, finding the opponent doing the same thing would just prove how evil he is. it's empty poses, it does not take anyone anywhere.

i sincerely appreciate any activities directed towards a liberal, tolerant, open-minded society, and try to live up to that myself. but this requires a certain level of reflection, and not empty "there are the evil, i am the good" black-and-white poses. there is too much of that.

maybe this all does not apply to you, kirmes, then sorry for that, it's just that i experienced what i described far too often.

@elec: okay, next time we'll see each other we'll discuss it in german.. and we'll invite Gitano too..

@darder: well said. same kind of thing happens here..

@biotek: its all about context. i'm a volkswagen driver, and i love the vw beetle. someone can take that statement and claim i'm glorifying the nazi regime, because they were heavy promotors of that car. same if i would claim i love germany's autobahn system or some of Albert Speer's buildings..

@Aratkilo: that sucks.. i saw Hector Zazou play live many years ago. RIP..

yes

...nice to see that you know your meta-level...but what you mention here sounds very liberal...way too liberal to be true..dangerous liberal for my share

...if it comes to media you`d rather critize austrian way of dealing with his own history...and that creates lately results of elections..and those are a shame

...so if you`re as liberal as you`re expressing yourself here you should rather be `not that shocked` about old-nazi-parents grinning son j

yeah there seemed to be a lot more than some sort of 'nazi populism' (?) going on with this guy. seems like almost too fitting way to go for a european ubernarcissistic righwinger, speeding and loosing control in your own volkswagen. probably didn't even wear a seatbelt.

Nobody or at least me sais he is a not a nazi but having an anti immigration party and meeting up at old SS meetings is clear enough for me what kind of person it is.

If such a guy would be running things you would be the first one to go rude (because of how your hair looks, or maybe you were connected to the Squat scene or you make weird music etc.)

So yeah I couldn't give a rats ass about his dead...

Left wing commies has nothing to do with this, for me that worstenstopper at the SP is the same as the Winter etc.
I only like Manuel Noriega, that was a good man.

right, the left wing mainstream media. you mean like fox news? whatever. i really wonder why, in this day and age, the media is still seen as being on the political left or having leftish tendencies when in reality we're probably closer to a balance of media outlets influenced by either (left or right) side.

this really depends on the country. in the US there really is no ''left wing'' media, though the general media there seem a bit more leaning towards the democratic side these days.. esp[ecially the bigger national papers like the NY times.

i know here in holland there tends to be a bias towards the left with the bigger papers, but that also has to do with their background..

@smackos: i'm not saying it would be paradise if those kind of guys would be running things, but it certainly wouldn't be the 4th reich either..

i see a solution here. we should give all the left/right extremists extremely fast sportscars and let nature take it's course.

In his Paradise's Home, he will live in the same room as J.HAIDER, because they die at the same Time.