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@Zeha

Like said. Everything that was made was new once. Much of that takes time to get appriciated. How this works? I guess heaps of books can be (are) written about that.

Maybe you're a nostalgic soul?

'Process' is being replaced by 'short cuts'. All Analog is being replaced by Digital. People are getting lazy as hell now, and marketing is more powerful than ever - especially with the advanced use of technology to control the masses. People aren't necessarily stupid- it's just getting extremely difficult to survive without the use of these short cuts, apps, iphones, internet, social networking tools, Traktor dj tools, etc. etc. etc... Those things aren't only innovating the way people communicate and function, it's completely standardizing the way we operate/communicate/function/advance.
Back in the day, noone ever complained about how heavy their sack of records were when they dj'd a gig. These days everyone bitches about the slightest bit of inconvenience. Art is supposed to be painful.
Process is dead! That's why most people on this forum stick to the hardware. Rare troopers in this over-sensationalized world of regurgitated, commercial crap.

what is this all about?, i'm to tired to read

What annoys me is that you immediately get the status of some odd freak just because you don't feel the need to follow the "Zeitgeist". I know exactly one guy who feels the way i feel but after reading this thread i know there are more. Thx.

+1. Nostalgia is dangerous as it locks people's minds to the past instead of creating and experiencing new things.

There's still lots of good stuff around but most people stick to the mainstream which in my opinion is mostly bullshit. When I go out partying here everyone needs to listen to the stuff playing on the radio or MTV. It's very annoying when you don't live in a big city and have to listen to the same shit at parties all the time. I don't expect them to play italo but Paul Kalkbrenner and Black Eyed Peas nonstop is just too much. 

I already thought about trying to set something up but it seems impossible to find like-minded people. There are some non-mainstream parties but then it's strictly minimal/tech-house. I know that complaining doesn't make it better but I have no idea where to start...

i cant believe how stubborn people are who complain about technology making life easier and only good can come from suffering.  hyper christian mentality

well- when i said art is painful, if anything, i was speaking more from an alchemical point of view...
i was talking about how the process of making art is never an easy thing- and if it is then you're probably like Picasso and had so many years of experience with a certain medium that it just comes easy after a while.

and as far as technology making life easier- i never said that- i just said that it creates shortcuts. the point i was trying to make is that its becoming more difficult to survive without the latest technologies. one example is how film projectors are becoming obsolete by video and it's restructuring the marketplace and culture.

Yes, nostalgia might be a certain factor, but really, I don't think that it's justified to excuse the whole thing with just saying "it's simply nostalgia".

As I said before, I think it's possible to objectively say that old commercial/pop/etc stuff is better than the current stuff. Not true for every single piece of course, but when regarded as a whole. I have an old "pop" compilation from the 80s, and there is a song by Iron Maiden on it, along with stuff like Wham or who knows what. This would be impossible today. And yeah, maybe die-hard metal people even laugh about Iron Maiden, but you can't deny that it's quality music. Just like Huey Lewis (I somehow have the feeling that some people here didn't like Huey Lewis as an example, but really, that stuff is good compositions, good production (with soul and feeling), people who can play their instruments, and yet it might be commercial-oriented, but who cares, it's got certainly more honesty and trueness than any song by Rihanna)

@ MrWho: Where do you live? I live in Southern Germany and I have the same problem... only mainstream parties, and if there's a non-mainstream party, it's still way too mainstream for me... people can be so ignorant.

Why are people so ignorant? Why can they only move their asses when they KNOW the music?! I can't understand that. We had a small party last year and a friend of mine and me, we were playing live stuff. Of course our own music that no one had ever heard before. But it sure was danceable and also not monotone or something like that. And the people on that party were all friends of us, most of them mainly interested in (commercial) electronic music. So one should expect that even if they all have that "I can only dance to music that I already know from TV"-gene, they could even dance out of solidarity, ignoring the fact that it's maybe not 100% their style. But as you might guess, the dancefloor was almost unused during our performance. They were not even listening. I really can't understand that and I think that this might have been different in the earlier days of techno/electro stuff, when it wasn't as "established" as it is today.

"Why can they only move their asses when they KNOW the music?!"

Ha, thats true, and the music they know is the crap on the radio...well here in Amsterdam it's not so bad. One of the better places in the world if you into "Robot" genres I guess. See also IFM party on ADE.

That sounds good, Ulm is not too far away either btw where are you from?

@ Mr. Maximal: The funny (or sad?) thing is that the crap on the radio gets played all day long; some songs get played 4-6 times a day - every day! - and this makes me wonder why people still want to hear it on a party on Friday night, when they already were forced to hear it a thousand times because their radio was on during work for the whole last week(s). Even if they like those songs, I can't understand that!